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Debates Men Have: Hitting A Woman

October 15th, 2009 Leave a comment Go to comments

The argument for and against laying hands on a woman is never black and white.

Women get out of pocket, sometimes in extreme ways, and I’d be lying if I said I never took it, you know, there.

When I was in first grade, a girl came up to me and teased me while I was standing against the wall all the bad kids stood against. I kicked the girl in the knee and told her to get away from me. She told on me, the teacher told my mom, my mom told my Pop, and he subsequently whooped me so bad, I’ll put it like this:  I was in first grade when I received the butt whooping. I’m 28 now and as I am writing this, I just winced.

Needless to say, it set me straight, but what really made me understand just how wrong it is for a man to lay hands on a woman is when I saw it occur in my own family.

Without saying too much about those I love, and out of respect for  their privacy, I won’t get into details of the things I saw. But for years I have wished for a hole deep enough for me to bury those memories in because they have scarred me for life. Yet sadly, they have not been enough to keep me from making two more small mistakes of my own.

I pushed two women who were my girlfriends at the time, once in college and once post-college. No marks were left and it doesn’t matter why. What matters is I should have remembered those moments I witnessed those I loved most being hurt by bigger, stronger men. Instead, in my own moments of rage, I acted like those men who to this day I still hate. Even if what I did to those two girls wasn’t nearly as bad, I sure acted just as idiotic as they had.

I am speaking on this now because of an article I read  the other day on The Root, written by Sherrilyn A. Ifill. The piece, — ‘Nobody Really Knows What Happened.’ Yes We Do — used the Chris Brown/Rihanna scandal to speak on the much larger issue of domestic violence. (For those who did not know, October is actually Domestic Violence Awareness month.)

The gist of Ifill’s piece is how even though people like to say women are often times the catalyst for such events to occur, it doesn’t make it right. To prove her point, she cites some well-qualified hard data and that’s what truly saddens me.

I understand why men like writer Jimi Izrael want people to understand domestic violence is a two way street, and I’m not writing this piece to change anyone’s mind, but I need to speak my own.

No man who defends hitting a woman should be ridiculed for his point of view. All of us, women and men alike can imagine some extreme circumstance in which the fairer sex might deserve a fresh one. But that’s all just good old fashion table talk.

For me, No amount of statistical evidence needs to be given to understand how wrong laying hands on a woman is. The stats I have compiled in my own experiences are just fine and they go like this:

One hundred percent of the time I or another man lays his hands on a woman, a woman is hurt physically or emotionally, and sometimes both.

One hundred percent of the time I or another man lays his hands on a woman, the man ends up the bigger idiot.

This is what I told myself the last time I felt like I had a justifiable cause for laying my hands on a woman.

The same woman I pushed last, is the same one who for other reasons I will not get into, completely and utterly trashed my apartment. The damage was so extensive I actually had to call people in for repairs and clean up, both of which cost me a pretty penny. Never before did I want so badly to inflict physical pain on a woman. Never before did I have a better reason. But by then I already learned my lesson. If I did so much as push this woman again, I would be doing nothing more than acting like a first grader.

Even I know that last fact is 100% true.

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  • LovesPunchingWomen

    couple of comments
    1) in the first grade girls are bigger than boys, hence they can get punched, but as a father u cant condone this behavior for fear that this hairless shaft and scrotum will grow to be a much larger hairier shaft and scrotum that regurlary attacks women…
    2) always beware of that guy who says he’d never hit a woman, but he’d shake the shit outta one, cuz that nigga will def hit a woman, I have a cousin who used to say that, and he recently knocked some chick out (granted it was a dispute involving drug money, not love)
    3)women stop doin “u shud hit me” type shit, like trashin someones apartment, the natural response to someone breaking ur shit is to break them or their shit, so its just confusing when u have to sit down and discuss why u threw my tv through the wall, and causes me to run downstairs and randomly wale on the first male to pass me by…

  • CaramelButterfly

    Well said Jozen, however, I have seen where the female constantly provoked the male, and yes the male did hit her, and she bounced back for more. I mean what do you say for women like this. In cases like this, women must take responsibility for their actions. Don’t do things that will potentially cause you to get an Azz whippin! Makes sense to me… :)

  • http://iamgvg.blogspot.com GVG

    … Then please beware of me. I myself have never layed a hand on a women, but do with all my heart believe there is an exception to every rule. My friends can attest to me being the guy on the street to step in between a man getting a bit too “tuff” with a woman, but they can also attest to me being accidentally stabbed by a friends wife as she tried to “talk” to him with the knife in her hand. I don’t believe anything in this world should be just as cut and dry as “never ever ever”, I think we can list many mistakes made under such staunch guidelines. We need to realize that size is not always the dominate force in the equation so much as will and intent is. If a woman wants to hurt you, physically and/or mentally, trust and believe she can if she truly puts her mind to it and you should not have to just “take it” because you weigh a couple of pounds more.

  • Lilie

    I’ve seen a brawl between a man and a woman.. The woman being more aggressive, jumping, screaming, cursing, and trying to choke the dude from behind, jumping on his back… Twas ridiculous. My mother is nuts.

  • http://iamgvg.blogspot.com GVG

    Funny enough I just saw this last night – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlFAd4YdQks

  • BrwnButterfly

    Great points made Jozen. While i strongly agree that a man should NEVER EVER put his hand on a woman, I also strongly believe that a woman should not provoke a man(like hitting, slapping, punching, spitting, etc)and expect him to just shake it off and take it.

  • Dana

    I’m happy to see this topic discussed. The bottom line is, no-one should be putting their hands on anyone. If a woman makes a man so angry that he feels the need to lay hands on her, then clearly he does not need to be around her. The same applies for women – If a man gets you that enraged by his words or actions and you want to lay hands on him or destroy his property, then she does not need to be around him either. I’ve had my fair share of scuffles with other women in my younger years for one reason or another and as an adult, I’m even embarassed by that behavior. I should have been able to control myself. I realize that it doesn’t matter who is doing the provoking, you HAVE TO KNOW when to walk away. The same way I would not attack another woman if I felt she disrepected me today, I wouldn’t do it to a man either. People are people. No-one wins in these types of situations. The woman who hits her man is deemed “crazy” and the man is deemed a womanizer. Unfortunately, men will always bare most of the responsbility for these situations. Being seen as physically stronger, men are expected to be emotionally stronger and walk away and when they don’t…people don’t care why.

  • Kandeezie

    #7 seems to get the closest. Provoke is a loaded word. I wonder why it’s rarely used for men, as in *he’s* provoking her. Is the assumption that women should be disrespected but men not? The use of language suggests so.

  • BoomShots

    I was raised to respect everyone’s person and to always defend myself. My 2 older sisters wore my butt out as a kid because they were bigger and stronger but I have no compunction about defending myself physically with a woman. But in my over 20 years of dating and relationships I have never had a situation arise where I even thought about ever hitting a woman. One reason is that I date other adults and the other is that I make it quite clear to women I am involved with that I do not play physically fighting game. You hit a man be prepared to be hit by a man.

    Now as it pertains to my sisters, you lay a hand on them, please know I am prepared to go to jail for your ass. I do not condone women beaters, I do not condone any type of women victimizers. But I do understand that domestic situations can get out of control and I have seen them do get crazy. I advise people not to provoke others if there is a chance they can whup your ass. I follow that rule everyday on the streets.

    A long time ex once told me that they were times we were together that she thought of taking it there but she said when I got serious the temperature changed in the room. Considering that I am a pretty even toned fellow, taking me there would be like opening Pandora’s box.

  • LaMella

    Having been on the receiving end of one hell of a backhand, I know how it feels to know that the one you love is willing, able, and capable of putting his hands on you in that fashion. However, I also knew that if I stuck around, I would’ve killed him. So I left. I often wonder why other women don’t do the same.

    As a woman, though, sometimes it’s hard for me to reconcile the idea of a us as victims. I just wasn’t raised that way. My grandmother, all 4’11″ of her, used to tell me, “Someone starts a fight with you, I don’t care if it’s a boy or a girl, you beat their ass and don’t come home until you do.” I was raised knowing how to fight for myself, but also knowing how to take a hit. Quite honestly, if a woman hits a man, I see nothing fair about laws that are more lenient on abusive women. I have a real problem with women who provoke a man for the sake of seeing how far she can push him before he lashes out and she calls the cops.

    I’ve never been one to condone abusers. But I think there’s a line that needs to be drawn. Like BoomShots said, “You hit a man, be prepared to be hit by a man.” To be an abusive woman and then cry victim is just hypocritical at best, and setting a very dangerous precedent at worst.

  • http://www.since84.wordpress.com Talia

    As an after-school instructor, I witness the bickering between middle school girls and boys nonstop. More times than not, it’s the girls who introduce physical violence into the scenario. In some cases, the girls are bigger than the boys, but in most, they are smaller, and ready to “chunk ‘em”.

    Prior to teaching these students, I did not advocate men/boys hitting women/girls. However, after seeing how these young girls beat on their male peers, expecting to be defended by teachers, really made me shift my perspective.

  • drea

    if a man feels the need to hit women they should not get married because all it is goin to lead to is a miserable marriage. no one should ever feel higher authority in a relationship because you are in it together