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On Persistence

November 9th, 2009 Leave a comment Go to comments

A week ago, I was watching the movie, Love Jones for what is probably the 1,000th time. For those who haven’t seen it, do yourself a favor and Netflix it immediately (here, I’ll even give you the link to its Netflix page).

The most fascinating part of the film is near the end of the first act when Darius is pursuing Nina. Darius asks Nina for her contact information, to which she flat out rejects. Since the film takes place in the mid-90′s when having a cell phone was still only for rich people, and AOL chat rooms were considered the most sophisticated form of social networking media, Darius steals her information off a personal check.  Then, instead of calling the phone number (assuming Nina left one on the check), he shows up at her front door.

All of this takes place after Darius and Nina have only met twice: once at a poetry lounge a couple nights prior, and the coincidental run-in at the record store where Darius was rejected and Nina left the check.

When Darius shows up at Nina’s doorstep, she is shocked, but scared? Nope. She reluctantly invites him, in spite of his illegal and intrusive behavior, and to top things off, agrees to go out with Darius on a date that is nothing more than a friendly gathering.

If all of this sounds absolutely, 100 percent crazy, that’s because it is absolutely, 100 percent crazy.

I have always felt there needed to be a ticker running along the bottom of the screen that said “MEN DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME” the minute Darius shows up at Nina’s apartment because if I ever did this sort of thing in real life, I deserve to be arrested and so does any other man who tries to do the same thing.

While I can tip a hat to Darius’s efforts, I know better than to resort to his level in real life.

In real life, persistence is chasing a woman who wants to be caught, not wearing a woman down to the point where all her no’s turn to yes’s. What I want to work on is getting a woman to like me more, not getting a woman to like me at all. A woman with warm feelings towards me is only going to make me chase her for so long, and in my pursuit, she will always do just enough to keep me in the chase, something I like to call, “encouraging the ego.”

But what happens if  I am pursuing a woman who doesn’t like me?

Well, imagine if Nina was not into Darius at all. He would probably get the door shut in his face followed by a squadron of cop cars surrounding him and police barking out orders for Darius to put his hands where they could see them.

To me the difference between being persistent and being taken for the run-around is easily distinguished by one thing: a smiling face.

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  • http://iamgvg.blogspot.com GVG

    I have always said it – woman love stalkers, because in their heads they associate the behavior as an outward representation of his love for her. I’m good on that. I remember years ago I was at a club feeling myself so hard that I stepped to a chick while she was right in the middle of talking to another dude. Guess she was feeling me as much cuss she turned her back on the guy and gave me her total attention for the mins it took to crack some jokes, get some resume info and exchange contacts. Anyway, as she’s writing the number on a napkin, yes pre cell phonebooks, I realize she’s from Toronto. Interest.. lost. I don’t do long distance. Anyway, she calls a couple of times and I never follow up. One night when bored I hit her up about a month after we met and she tells me that she is actually in the beginning stages of a new relationship and ask me if I remember the guy I interrupted her from speaking to. I say yes, though I couldn’t pick him out of a crowd with just him and all woman. She proceeds to tell me how he called every day from that night they met. After two weeks, he calls her at 6:58pm and tells her he sent her a gift that will be delivered at exactly 7pm. At that moment as it hits 7pm, her doorbell rings. She runs down with dude on the phone to open the door to find him standing there with a bouquet of flowers. I was waiting for the “so I thought this nigga was crazy…” part of the story but it never, you could hear the joy in her voice as she said it. I told her that nigga is a stalker, but she thought it was the sweetest shit and almost all my girls at the time thought the same. They are now married with kids. Raising more little stalker boys and the girls who like them. So once again, woman like crazy stalker dudes.

    P.S. That nigga ended up stalking me too. He turned out to be a cop from queens and would come to my parties and report back to her about “all the chicks” he saw me with. Cornball ass nigga. A mutual friend of ours says the best long-term “husband type” dudes have a bit of corny in them. I don’t know how I feel about that.

    My bad for the long story. You just got me to reminiscing with this one. Corny ass nigga. lol.

  • http://iamgvg.blogspot.com GVG

    I’m sorry, but i realize an important part of this story might not be clear. This dude flew to Toronto from new york with no invitation to “surprise” a chick he just met two weeks earlier!

  • Caroline

    I am happy to be your muse.

    But what’s up with the “being taken for the run around” opposed to “persistence”. As if it’s the woman’s fault that the dude is lunatic and either a. refuses to pick up on beyond subtle hints or b. in his own mind, insists that he can win her over simply by wearing her down.

    Why weren’t those dudes talked about? The niggas that literally say to themselves “I’m gonna wear her down”. Talk about that kind of fuck shit, not these bullshit ass Love Jones scenarios that don’t happen in real life

  • Miss

    GVG, women don’t like stalkers. Make no mistake about that. lol

  • http://gotsole.wordpress.com Darby

    Okay Jozen, I didn’t think I would ever say this… but you and I are so *HERE* on this post! First – I absolutely love Love Jones… by far one of those movies I can watch over and over. I even have it on DVD. Yeah I said it lol.

    2nd – seriously, I always thought that was way too bold of a move for Darius to make in the movie. Even if a girl does think you’re cute and sexyfine and all that… you show up at my place after meeting you twice, you’re getting the po po called on you ASAP. There is just no room for cute crazy folks in a girl’s life.

    And to that extent – GVG, definitely have to disagree with you. Any sort of resemblance to stalkerish tendencies will get you put on “oooh girl, make sure you always have mase on you” watch, just in case that fool wants to pop up somewhere.

    Either way – I think women (and men, honestly) are very clear in the signals they send when they’re interested in someone. It’s up to the other person to pay attention, if they’re interested back.

  • rita

    I’m having the stalker issue right now and in no way is it cute and making me want him! He’s not showing up on my door step but there are the constant text messages and emails. I’ve had the ‘I’m just not that into to you talk’ it goes in one ear and out the other. I’ve tried to handle this the adult way and give him closure not just ignore him but its not working…
    Stalker qualities are not attractive in any way, its just makes you desperate and selfish for not taking the other party feelings into consideration.

    But I do Luv me some Love Jones! I gotta admit its the shit and I dig it like a grave

  • http://iamgvg.blogspot.com GVG

    Ladies ya keep saying ya don’t like the stalker, but your actions keep disproving your words.

  • Leah J

    GVG :
    I have always said it – woman love stalkers, because in their heads they associate the behavior as an outward representation of his love for her.

    Um…how ’bout NO. Women do NOT love stalkers. Please delete that thought from your brain immediately. INSECURE PEOPLE –gender notwithstanding– require excess attention because they aren’t confident enough in themselves and substitute self-worth with attention from others. It is not exclusive to women. I have had dealings with many a needy-ass dude who couldn’t handle that I wasn’t up his butt all the time, but I know that is about insecurity, not about his penis.

    And saying that “our actions” are disproving our words…really? You know us? That’s absurd.

  • Leah J

    @Darby- Word to Big Bird, especially on that last paragraph, which is why the closing statement in Jozen’s post left me scratching my head:

    “To me the difference between being persistent and being taken for the run-around is easily distinguished by one thing: a smiling face.”

    The only way one can be “taken for the run-around” is if one is being misled, and in a situation where someone clearly doesn’t want to be bothered and is giving you all the signs of same (such as the one you presented), then you aren’t being “taken” on anything. That’s on you, fam.

  • @AminaLovely

    Yes his movements were quite stalkerish but…

    What I always take away from this movie was the scene where Nia’s character askes him why is it always on his time, why is it so urgent and Larenz’s character saying “I love you girl, and thats urgent than a motherfucker” I swoon even now that I think about. If a dude is trying to hollar at me, he cant be on some smooth “Im too cool to let you know how i feel” shit. It needs to be urgent, he needs to go hard, i need to feel some PASSION otherwise, I just feel like hes just doing some shit just cause.

    Every woman wants to believe something about her will inspire urgency in a man.

  • iloveketa

    Ok Jose, good shit.Love jones has been in my dvd player for the last 2 wks (I swear to god) I watch it to fall asleep if my ass dont naturally fall asleep-

    I will side with GVG on this-

    We do like stalker ass niggas. BUT Only if we like them back. In love jones it was clear to see that she was feeling Darius (she indulged him at the bar and the record store, she took the time to walk up to him after the his performance and write on his hand, she even looked back at him after she shut him down <>) so his showing up at her house is not deemed stalkery, its deemed cute and romantic. We like when a dude go hard in the paint for us.

    Now if WE DONT like the dude and its obvious because we are not recipricating any of his advances then thats when the po po get called so on and so on

    A dude knows when a girl not giving him no play vs. playing hard to get. PerioD.

    I have had guys yelling outside my damn window for me to open the door or texting/blowing my phone up and have loved every second of it. Not the spectacle perhaps, but just the great depths this person will go to (embarassing themselves, risking blatant rejection)to prove to me how much they wanna be down

    I want the guy that I am with to be obsessed with me. I want his body to shake and his pants to quake when he think about me. Why in the world would I want to date somebody thats casual about my love. If you are casual about things, you will become a casualty

    So the moral to my long ass comment is:

    Go for what you know

  • dbaham

    @ Leah J – girl, thanks for feeling me.

    @ Aminalove and Iloveketa, I totally agree with you both that women want a man who’s passionate about them… but the thing is, Darius professed his urgency outside the club welllllll into their relationship. By the time he says his swoon worthy statement about his love for her being urgent, there are reasons for his urgency… I still contend that him showing up at her apartment without her ever giving him her address – no sir! That is all kinds of stalkery and wrong. And while you can get away with some things if the girl likes you back, there have been times that I have been genuinely interested in a guy, and he’s crossed the crazy line – and it’s all over.

    Truth be told, there’s certainly a thin line between passionate and crazy (shouts to Martin L), BUT c’mon – some things are just obvious. I think everyone should take a step back before making their grand gestures – real life doesn’t always work out like the movies.

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