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An Idea About Engagement

February 23rd, 2010 Leave a comment Go to comments

They say an idle mind is the devil’s playground. Well, I say an idle mind is where genius happens because the other day, as I was taking a shower, I came up with an idea that I not only find brilliant, but worthy of application.

When a man asks a woman’s hand in marriage, she gets a ring and he gets a what? A “yes” one would hope, but after that, what else does he get? What kind of symbolism does he get to show he is engaged? Traditionally, none. While a woman gets to go around and flaunt a ring, an engaged man does not receive anything to show he is engaged.

Will someone tell me how this is fair? Then will someone tell me why women for so long have allowed their fiancés to go walking around looking no different than the man who isn’t engaged at all?

These questions are rhetorical. Instead of attempting to answer them, I aim to implement an alternative tradition, one that I hope other men put into practice and women will be accepting of.

As reciprocity for asking my woman’s hand in marriage, I too would like a symbol of our engagement. Something specifically for me. Here it is:

I want a dog. Yep, that’s right, a dog.

Now I’m serious about this. Don’t think I’m playing because I’m not. Once I put a ring on it, I want a dog, preferably a pit bull. And here are a couple of other rules.

I want it to be brand new, a puppy just born, nothing from the pound. I’m pretty sure my woman wouldn’t want a ring from the pawn shop or antique store, so I don’t want a dog from the SPCA. I want something from a farm that breeds pit bulls. I prefer it be expensive, because, well, the ring is probably going to be expensive. Then, as a show of solidarity between the dog, my woman, and I, I want a dog tag. Something I wear around my neck when I go out and the dog wears around his neck. This will show everyone not only am I dog owner, but the woman I am about to marry got me the dog I’m walking. And, check this out ladies, whenever I go out to the club for guys night out, my woman can say, “Wait, where you going without your dog tag?” Of course I’ll just take it off when I leave anyway, but seeing me put it on before I leave the house should give a woman some comfort, right? (I’m kidding, ladies.)

Over the weekend I got opinions about this notion of not only a dog, but reciprocity in general, from a few of my guy friends and a few of my women friends. Of course the guys were all for it, especially David, the one married friend I talked to. He said, “When I asked my wife to marry me, about a week passed and I was like, wait a minute, what do I get?” That’s when David put me on to the Dowry system, which I don’t want to take up time on this post to explain, and he didn’t implement, but the short definition is, it’s a tradition of a man getting something in return for asking his woman to marry him. (You can read more about it here)

As one would expect, the women who I talked to about this weren’t necessarily gun-ho about this idea. The common refrain I heard was, “My hand in marriage should be enough.” Well, I also believe it’s what’s on the inside that counts, but no one sees me dating sweet, unattractive women now do they?

Look, a woman’s hand in marriage, her “Yes”, it’s a beautiful thing. But is it enough? “No”. If I’m ready to marry a woman, I want something to distinguish myself from all the men who aren’t, and unfortunately, tradition has no such thing in place. Unless, I get a dog. If I have a dog, and we’re wearing the same dog tags, guess what it says? It says my fiancee said “Yes!”

A dog symbolizes reciprocity, which I myself am a big stickler of. It is to say, if we’re going to be in this thing together, we’re going to start this thing together and what better way to start than for a woman to do for me what I have done for her? Beyonce said If I like her put a ring on it, and now Jozen is saying if she likes me, put a leash on a dog and hand it over to me. I don’t want one phone call made in regards to planning a wedding until I’m playing fetch with my dog named Mike Vick (yes, I am really going to name my dog Mike Vick).

Of course, some men won’t agree with this. Some men will say they don’t need anything at all, and that’s fine, we’ll just agree to disagree. But for those men who are feeling my message of reciprocity but would rather something else other than a dog, leave whatever it is you would like in return in the c-section. It could be pilot lessons. It could be some power tools. It could be season tickets to your favorite team for your favorite sport (she can only go with you to one game), but please, let it be something.

As for me, just a dog. That’s all I want, ladies. Thanks in advance.

  • http://blackgirlunlost.blogspot.com Jubilance

    I actually kinda dig this…I wouldn’t mind getting my fiance a gift after our engagement…

  • http://dontloseyourdayjob.com Clark Kent

    A dog is good. I would ask my soon-to-be wife to get me a man’s cave. Something like a watering hole for me to do all things manly.

    While she has the opportunity to say that she has me on lock-down, the man’s cave would be the equivalent to rec time on the yard. LOL.

    Good post, Jozen!

  • Nico

    You want something to sybmolize your engagement? How about a leash…for you..diamond encrusted? I kid, I kid.
    Your thoughts are valid. Maybe you will start a new trend. If you ask the father for her hand in marriage, maybe he will give you the downpayment for a new house. I think that’s dope!

  • HES

    I think dowries are traditions that were discarded way too quickly – bravo on your one-man effort to bring them back. But a pitbull? Could you be more cliche? Mastiffs, Ridgebacks, Akitas … anything but a pitbull.

  • JSR

    Good Post, I concur….

  • N0h3

    I like that ideal because we both have something we want.

  • dbaby11

    loves it!!

  • PYTJD

    My uncle actually got an engagement ring after he proposed to my aunt..not like some princess cut diamond joint be a smaller version of his diamond encrusted wedding band. He now where’s both his “engagement ring” and his wedding band..they actually fit together so it just looks like one double banded ring. I’m all for the reciprocity..so the future hubby will definitely get something..don’t know about a pitbull though.
    Question…should men also get an equivalent of a push present (gift woman gets after having the baby http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push_present) or is carrying and delivering your seed enough of a mutual arrangement ?

  • Holly G.

    I love the fact that you want an engagement present too! I know a few guys who have gotten really nice watches from their fiances after they put a ring on it. I hope you get Mike Vick one day…lol.

  • Lilie

    this is an awesome post. but burnese mountain dogs are WAY better than pits lol ive had pits. they can be either very sweet or very bad. and when they’re bad. it
    s not good!!! they destroy EVERYTHING ;) http://www.karebearberners.com/images/bernese-mountain-puppy.jpg :D :D

  • nitha

    Interesting concept….so if the engagement is called off I get the dog/tags, and give the ring back, right? And heeeeeeelllllll no men don’t get a “push present”. When they start pushin babies out, then they can get a gift. But for right now, it’s your turn to feed Jr., hop to. *files nails*

  • Celenia

    Actually, I have had the idea for quite some time now that whenever I get engaged I would get him custom made diamond encrusted skeleton key. He would wear it on a necklace to symbolize that in me accepting his proposal I have given him the key to my heart, but a dog would be nice to.

  • Nous ces Monde la

    Lol @ Nitha. In my parts, the man pays a dowry too…lol so not only do you buy a ring, pay for the wedding and all other festivities, your behind is paying my dowry. Seriously, I like your idea and my fiance will get a ring too. A dog what, every Tom, Dick and Jose has a dog…how does that distinguish you from the single men.

  • eatafajita

    although i am a female, i’ve always agreed with this line of thought, and it’s surprising that more people haven’t considered this before. with my ex, whenever we discussed marriage, i always told him i would get him whatever fancy shmancy large screen tv he wanted for the man cave when we got engaged.

  • oc

    lol

  • http://blackgirlgone.wordpress.com blackgirlgone

    I don’t disagree that men should have/wear some sort of symbolic representation of their commitment to another person. In fact, it would help single women to know when a man is not available. Without a wedding ring, it’s all a guessing game. But I’m a dog lover and I couldn’t be more irritated with the idea of bringing a dog, a living being, into this equation. Not to mention a dog from a breeder (I’m going to assume you don’t know what those poor dogs through). After reading this post, I wouldn’t let you or Michael Vick even make eye contact with my dog. Much less want a dog to be involved in your relationship.

    Good concept. Bad solution.

  • gbolahan

    i would get a “Get in the mood” card for whenever i ready for some loving and she’s oh so tired….. there should be a limit thou…. maybe i can only use it 12 times a year but it must be renewable every year..

  • Bridget B.

    Interesting….I’ve never met a man that felt that him not getting an engagment ring was a bad thing. I thought that guys *liked* being able to go a few more months without having to wear an outward symbol that their single days were over. Some men don’t even want to wear the ring after they are married.

  • Frankie1882

    Sounds like a good idea. Wouldn’t mind it at all. Although, my boo wants a bulldog, so that’s what he’d be getting. But I’m with Nitha. What happens if for whatever reason, the engagement is called off? Looking at a ring is much harder than looking at a dog, and easier to give up, no?

  • http://livinglatina.wordpress.com livinglatina

    Good Post!!! When my ex-husband-to-be gave me my engagement ring I bought him rims/tires for his whip but since we are getting divorced now and he’s asking for the engagement ring back, should I ask for the tires and rims back too????

  • BoomShots

    Easy solution to this reciprocity issue, get rid of the engagement ring for her. The idea that a man should spend two to three months’ personal wages for an engagement ring originated from De Beers marketing materials in the early 20th century, in an effort to increase the sale of diamonds.

    I know I am opposed to the idea of he engagement ring, for that type of money we should buy something more impactful.

  • Deen

    I’ll take a threesome a year for the next 10 years. Or a bag of w***. Or a classy, understated pendant for my classy, understated chain.

    Or all of the above.

  • LinZ

    nice plan…. don’t like the only one game for the season tickets though….

  • http://pastthevelvetrope.wordpress.com mimi

    What if you two already have a dog??

    I’d never get you the damn dog. LOL! I’d buy you a ring… a rolex or something and you could engrave “my finace said yes” in it. But WTH… a pet? An engagement ring is the ultimate cock-blocker… as is (or should be) a man’s wedding band. Therefore… I need something more visual that says “all this… (him, head to toe)… belongs to me.” LOL… So I think a pet is out. :)

  • *inquiring mind*

    I’m with you Boom… if it HAS to be equal, which it obviously must- smh (btw why the heyll are men such crybabies these days- suck it up- I digress…), then just toss the ring-thing and be done with it.

  • Blinging n no Dog

    I think its a valid idea… But you get a Fiance in return. A woman who is willing to have your back, wipe your back and have your BABY! Which we get the pleasure of carrying for 10 months, pushing out in serve PAIN and then breast feeding, nurturing you and them for the rest of our lives. I say we deserve 2 freaking engagement rings, matching bracelet, earring, necklace to match and anything that blings that will make our lives a lil happy. Happy wife, Happy Life! Lear it. And get your own damn DOG.

  • http://www.fabglancenashville.com Mel

    I like that idea. I would probably give my fiance a nice watch or a tv. I always wanted to give my man an engagement ring. I never thought it was fair that he got to walk around with no statement that he is engaged.

  • @NyceBryce

    I’m not only advocating but I’m insisting on a dog of my choice after I cop the ring. The dog tag angle is also huge.

    I’ve ALREADY started saving for a wedding ring and I don’t even have a Girlfriend so getting a dog, even an expensive dog, shouldn’t be an issue.

    The dog doesn’t need to be on hold at her best friends house but I feel like a one month window is appropriate for him to show up.

  • http://lefthandscribble.blogspot.com Brittany

    I couldn’t help, but laugh when I read this. It is a good idea though.

  • http://www.luvsdetriment.blogspot.com shelbie

    Fist bump to nitha LMAO!

  • jewel

    Nice post, Jozen. I’d always planned on getting my fiance a ring after I received mine. He might as well get used to having something on his hand… ;o)

  • mosely

    Hmmm. I think over time and the age of commercialism, some of the reasoning has been lost. Back when this originated, it was to the benefit of the man to have the woman wear the ring. Since women were considered unequal and a possession, it laid claim and told potential impregnaters she was off limits and your property. So really, the notion of it being unfair to the man nowadays is really a new construct historically speaking.

    Aside from that, its what u make of it. Don’t really see the big deal. People are too wrapped up in the marriage and not focused on being “married”. That’s a problem in and of itself. Interesting post, tho.

  • http://whetheryoulikeitornot.wordpress.com booboonotthefool

    I like the idea of getting a gift for the guy. The dog though? IDK. that’s a lot of responsibility, and if that thing don’t work out I don’t want a pitbull puppy. I agree with some of the other posters that you are getting something immaterial (a wife) but I’ve known many a bride to get her groom a nice gift and a nice ring. What say you wait on the puppy and see what else I get you? I can think of other things that symbolize reciprocity…

  • Kady

    I am so confused by this post…. a dog tag???? If a man and his dog wears the same tag then that will symbolize he is taken… men get nothing in return for being engaged to a woman. I wish a man would try to make me jump through hoops to get engage. I would be down for buying my man something he can wear everyday like a Movado (Outlets lol), so he can always wear it, and when some PYT compliments him on the watch, the correct response will be “Thank You, it was a gift from my Fiance.
    Back to the puppy, do you have any idea how much work a brand new puppy is, you have to train him and be home to feed him regularly like a baby. I’m a huge dog lover so I won’t even get started on the Mike Vick thing, very few things offend me, and that did.

  • http://stylistiic.com/blackbook thee BEAN.

    A Dog? lol cute, but thats not a clear representation that youre engaged, neither is the dog tag! Male Jewelry equivalent to an engagement ring should be fine (minus the dog tag).

  • Greddy

    I’m not sure it “has” to be equal, but look at the world around us. From every angle of law and society, we’re taught that men and women of all classes, colors, and creeds are equal. If that’s so, why not update our traditions to follow suit?

    I, too, digress though.

    I agree, I’d love to see the ring idea tossed, but what’s the likelihood of single girls across the nation (western world?) passing up the chance to throw a rock in everyone’s face to show the dollar amount their man puts on the relationship?

  • DR

    she gives up her last name and you don’t reciprocate by giving up yours. i think that’s much more valuable than a dog … or season tickets that i can’t also enjoy. i bet you want to pick and choose traditions now, huh?

  • Nikki

    So my boyfriend requested the reverse: should I get him a dog, he’ll put a ring on it within 1 year. And like you, it had to be a purebred, quality, brand new puppy. And it had to be an English bulldog. Now, I’ve never wanted a dog, but I definitely want my ring. I got it for him for Christmas…

  • A.

    LOL, exactly! Either I get you a ring (bleh) or we both live free and clear til the wedding day! What’s a dog going to do but attract women?!

  • Renee

    Jozen-THANKS for this post! I actually read it aloud while in a LONG meeting with…a group of men. Everyone in the room was howling with laughter and fist pumping… Young men, older men and men of different cultures.

    Of course, as the lone woman in the room, I got MAJOR kudos and everything I asked for in the negotiations for agreeing with you..LOL

  • Angela

    I like this idea . Dog tags too…..Yes !!!!

  • http://brandonsaintrandy.wordpress.com Brandon St. Randy

    A man traditionally should receive an engagement watch. The cost of the watch should be determined by the income/assets of the bride to be and her financial ability. Regardless of price, the watch should be a good quality Automatic with a Swiss Movement that will last forever and may be handed down to future generations. Like the engagement ring, the watch may be upgraded as the family’s wealth increases. Some good examples are a TAG Carerra ($1000-$2000), An Omega Seamaster ($2,000-$5,000), a Cartier Roadster ($5,000-$10,000) and the big daddy, a Rolex Daytona ($10,000-$100,000).

  • http://www.sleep-is-the-cousin-of-death.blogspot.com/ Tunde

    i like this idea. watches seem like a nice gesture. dogs not so much. and what if they guy already owns a dog? does he now get another dog? or what if he isn’t a dog lover (i don’t know what guy wouldn’t be)?

  • Ondrea

    “What kind of symbolism does he get to show he is engaged?”

    Are you saying if you buy a ring and she gets to walk around saying she is taken, you should get a dog to show that you are taken, too? Or do you feel like since I bought you a ring you should buy me something? How does the dog symbolize that you are engaged? You pretty much still walk around appearing to be available to anyone who is interested. LMBO This was funny, if nothing else.

  • Ericka

    Hahaha…it sounds like you would be the one to get together a group of men like Al Bundy and the “No Maam” clan. All jokes aside, I think its a good idea. I think women often forget men like presents too and what better way to say I love you then have a huge pit licking you in the face…

  • Star

    I’m married and I didn’t get my husband anything. I wanted to get him a Sigma varsity style jacket as a engagement gift but he wanted us to start saving and getting rid of debt. That’s what he wanted as a gift and that’s what we did/doing. We’re not one for the traditional wedding debt. My ring is not diamond and we only had an intimate ceremony (honoring our parents request).

  • biglez71

    That’s the root of the reciprocity to me. Let’s discuss what it actually symbolizes if the commitment isn’t there.

  • biglez71

    instead of an engagement ring for her, i rather like the idea of using those funds for a down payment on a house, pay down some debt that will eventually be shared, something that both will benefit from. besides, knowing that i’ll have the man seemingly in my corner for life would be enough for this woman!

  • biglez71

    I’m sure with Jozen that topic will be covered too…can’t wait!

  • Denise

    I got my FI a ring when we got engaged… And at the time I had a 4 month old pure bred pitbull puppy…so he got a puppy too…so do I get a 2nd gift? Since this is all about reciprocity??? Lol

    But seriously, with a dog how can you tell the difference between engaged with a dog or single with a dogtag fetish with a dog or military with a dog or a single member of a fraternity with a dog…

    Oh and when we called off the engagement, I gave him his ring back and he still kept the one I gave him! What’s up with that?? But I have my puppy so its all good lol