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Five Things We’re Not Doing Since We’re Not Having Sex

Ladies, it’s okay to make a man wait for sex. Go ahead. Women should wait until they’re comfortable with the man they’re dating before they allow him access to the goods. I can respect it. I can be patient. If I like her, she can take as long as she wants to take.

But here’s the thing. No, wait, as a matter of fact, five things, just so we’re clear, because all of us, men and women, have our comfort zones. She has hers. I have mine. So take notes ladies, read through them, and make sure to remember them: Five things I’m not quite comfortable doing with her and won’t be doing with her until she does IT with me.

THERE WILL BE NO MEETING OF THE FRIENDS

This is way more of an intimate act than sex. Letting a woman in on my own personal illuminati? Girl, please. These men are my inner circle, and we talk about the things only men talk about like, whether or not I’m actually getting some from the girl I introduced them to, and because I’m a man of dignity, I must admit that I’m not. And because they are a group of men who will take any opportunity to crack a joke on me, I will now be the laughing stock of the group because I introduced to them a girl who hasn’t even let me hold her panties. I’d rather save myself the embarrassment.

THERE WILL BE NO MOVING OF THE THINGS

During the brief time I lived back home in Seaside, after college, I met a girl one night at this party. We were hitting it off really well, but I knew I was moving within the next month, so I had to work fast. When she mentioned she was moving to a new apartment in the next two weeks, I thought I had an in. Two weeks later, I’m the sucker at her place, helping her move all her stuff. All of it. Even the couch. Just me and her. And the only thing that kept me lifting these heavy boxes is the hope I had that she saw me working all my muscles and would want to jump my bones on this big couch right after I was done taking it up a flight of stairs. The day turned into night, the night turned into late night, and finally she offered up her new place instead of making me drive the hour and a half back home.

Of course I obliged, thinking it was about to go down, but I was given a quick elbow (with love!) when I tried to spoon up next to her. The next morning when I woke up on my side of the bed she said to me, “Did you know in the middle of the night, while you were asleep, you were rubbing my nipples? You reached over and you started rubbing them and I would have stopped you but it actually felt good.”

“Wait, what?” I replied. “You told me before we went to sleep that nothing was going down!”

“I know,” she said. “And I’m not saying anything would have happened, but it did feel good.”

“And I didn’t wake up at all?” I asked.

“Nope,” she said. “You were knocked out…must have been so tired from all that moving you did.”

And that right there is why I’m never helping a woman move her stuff until I know we’re having sex.

THERE WILL BE NO CONSUMING OF THE ALCOHOL

Ask anyone who knows me, when I drink I get red. I hate it. It’s my Asian glow and I’m extremely self-conscious about it. It’s one of the reasons I hate drinking during the day because just a sip and I look like I’ve been hitting the bottle all day. So because drinking in front of people makes me self-conscious and very uncomfortable, I prefer not to drink in front of women I’m getting to know and I would prefer if women did not drink in front of me, even if they have no qualms about drinking by themselves. I mean, if a woman didn’t want to have sex with me, how rude would I be to just get naked in front of her and say, “Okay, that’s cool. I’ll do this by myself.” Pretty rude. Most women would never want me to ask them to join me in doing something that made them feel uncomfortable, right? Right. So, she must extend to me the same respect. Until she is ready to open up to me on an intimate level, I am not showing her an intimate side of me, the red side. Plus, she probably assumes my hormones are out of control anyway, why can’t I assume her drinking is out of control?

THERE WILL BE NO SHARING OF THE DRINKS

Not only will we not be drinking alcoholic beverages together, we will also not be sharing a straw, cup, or bottle of any non-alcoholic beverages. Why? Because one of the reasons why she is not letting me sleep with her is she doesn’t know where my ummm, manhood(?) has been and that’s cool. I understand. But I don’t know where her lips have been either, so why would I share my refreshing bottle of Gatorade with her? I’ll get her her own before that happens. And speaking of lips, here’s the last of my no-no’s until she says yes, yes…

THERE WILL BE NO KISSING OF THE LIPS

In 6th grade, back when kissing meant the world to a boy like me, I Nathan McCall’s memoir, Makes Me Wanna Holler. In the book, he talks about the time growing up with his friends where all they thought about was sex and how smooth a young man had to be. The smoothest of the smooth were the men who could somehow hook up with a girl without even having kissed her first. And I remember reading that thinking there was no way it was possible. Then I got older and discovered while it’s still a very difficult thing to pull off, and highly unlikely (like making a shot from the three-quarters length of the court) it can happen. I have also developed a deeper appreciation for kissing, it’s one of those things associated with people we really like, so if she doesn’t like me enough to sleep with me, why are we kissing? To get a gauge of other things I can do? What is this sixth grade?

The first time we sleep together should immediately follow the first time we kiss. I think we can all agree, kissing is a pretty intimate act. Especially, French kissing — which has magically retained its spot as one of the most deeply passionate forms of PDA since the fourth grade — because it has tongue and all this other stuff, so let’s just wait to do it all. If she doesn’t want to sleep with me, why does she want to kiss me? The way I see it, instead of saving something for later, let’s just save the whole thing for later. Kissing is a formality. Is it fun? Sure. Absolutely. Is it all I want? Never. Ever.

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  • Bunny.

    This is my first time writing… :] quite proud.
    I honestly would have never thought any of these, especially the kissing one, would be that bad! I can say that I am indeed shocked. Now, my question lies with the moving of things; if the situation arose again, and you think that there is no way she’s turning me down on this, would you do it?

  • mimi

    are you serious? i hope not. otherwise #5 will mean you’re not gonna be getting much for a while. girls like to kiss and that’s basically your audition right there. if you’re not a good kisser, it’s not likely you’re gonna have a chance to put your mouth anywhere else on her body. sorry buddy

  • mimi

    p.s. I get the Asian Flush too (as I call it). It’s pretty much the only time you can tell I’m mixed. Luckily I live in Japan right now though, so basically everyone else around me gets the Asian Flush too so it doesn’t stand out. When I’m in the States, I’m definitely more self-conscious about it.

  • Doesn’t Matter

    I would find it hard to believe Jozen hasn’t slipped up and kissed someone he was dating but not sleeping with. This gets the side-eye from me….

  • PrettyPisces

    I’ve been reading this blog 4 a little while & I’ve never commented…until now lol

    & i just wanna say that #5 is STINGY!!!!lol

  • Quinn

    Wow, maybe its because I am a girl but most of these seem like BS. How dare you not want to kiss me but you want to screw me. This definitely sounds like someone who has sex with people with no intentions on real relationships on marrying.

  • Ondrea

    I have to agree Jozen, the kiss would have to happen well before the sex. You might be shooting yourself in the foot with that one.

  • Dee

    While I applaud your blog daily I must say you are really…..particular about the do’s and dont’s. I may not agree with each and every point like no kissing but its’ your opinion. *shrug*

  • Dee

    @mimi
    I said the same thing. I’ve kissed guys that I didn’t sleep with. I didn’t know it was a requirement.

  • Kady

    Jozen, sometimes your logic goes way over my head, guess I just can’t keep up. I totally understand that there are certain things you won’t do with someone you are not sleeping with. But literally your list is to punish the girl who won’t sleep with you. I mean why is it ok to do these things with a woman just because she sleeps with you? This list is so shallow, your friends might make fun of you, you don’t want to lift heavy things, I won’t kiss you “there” because you won’t kiss me “here”? Seriously, what will happen if I kiss you, this list was painful to read.

    I don’t even think you understand why women wait to have sex, maybe I’m going OD literal but women react differently after sex than men do. I’m pass a stage of wanting to have sex with anyone who I don’t believe I know on a personal level and there is no better way to get to know a man than to spend a few hours with him and his friends, or to get a few drinks and let lose. This list is not the way to approach anyone you hope to date seriously.

    I seriously feel like I just read a list written by a college freshman and not a grown man.

  • Danni

    Eh, I wouldn’t want to wait for a kiss, either. But, I’m sure Jozen doesn’t necessarily like waiting for the juicy fruit. Give and take, folks. Give and take.

  • http://brandonsaintrandy.wordpress.com Brandon St. Randy

    I’m gonna call jive on #3 and #5. Trying to get a sober girl you refuse to kiss comfortable enough to give you some tang is just making life harder on yourself. That just turns it into a barter situation, which ain’t that sexy.

  • http://yesijukebox.blogspot.com Yesi Jukebox

    I agree with everything else but the kissing.

  • Andrea

    As a female I agree completely with this post including the kissing part. Although I’ve done my fair share of everything above without the *** I completely agree.

  • 05girl

    So I don’t know why I’m writing, since the write professes via twitter that he will not read the comments.

    But I find this all crazy. And also confusing and just not practical. So if we get down on the first date, you will do all of those things? Regardless of how well you know me after 1 night/1 week/2 weeks? I get to meet your friends after 2 weeks, simply because we smashed? Meanwhile the girl you may have bonded with mentally over 3-6 months will not get any of this? asian/negro please. This ish will not hold up.

  • Dani

    I happened upon your website recently. Your posts are funny, insightful, and pretty on-point…but I have to agree with @ Doesn’t Matter…you’re getting the side eye on this post. Some of the aforementioned don’ts/won’ts (i.e. meeting of friends, being helpful, ***kissing***) all constitute auditioning for the final show. I say relax yourself and go with the flow.

  • Dee

    This post has me on comment #3. I NEVER comment past 1. We’re all entitled to our list of do’s and don’ts. This here is Jozen’s and we the ladies now have a heads up of what his thoughts are. If we ever posted our list do you realllly think there wouldn’t be a thing or two that would make a guy say “yeah shorty is delusional?” Gotta laugh at no moving of things. This chick truly played herself especially since she had him in her bed. She could’ve asked her buddies. I don’t agree w/ every point on this list. So smh, lol, and fun reading.

  • ashley

    @kady “I seriously feel like I just read a list written by a college freshman and not a grown man.”

    Seriously, that’s how I felt as I read this too. Have you ever thought about why she won’t sleep with you? Maybe her 5 things stopping her from having sex? I don’t see any correlation between sharing drinks and having a woman see your “manhood”. The only one I could probably say I agree with just a TEENY WEENY bit is the moving part…but oh well

  • 05girl

    @Dee
    Dee, I agree that this is Jozen’s list.. his POV. I just wish to challenge him on his thinking, and really see if his POV passes muster.

  • 05girl

    I mean.. let’s say you like a girl.. but she is holding out. Wouldn’t kissing her help convince her or at least strengthen your case? lol

  • Htowndisaster

    Actually, I may be the lone woman today. I won’t kiss anyone on the lips until and unless it’s about to go down. That’s just always been my policy. I’ll nuzzle the neck or kiss your cheek, but our mouths aren’t going to touch unless I’m willing to go all the way. I guess it’s because I always saw kissing as extremely intimate. (But I also think kissing is slightly gross too, so I save it for people who I’m so into that it overrides the grossness.)

    But Jozen, I don’t believe #3. Sorry homie. Seems unlikely.

  • http://sinnamonnights.blogspot.com/ Sinnamon

    No kissing? No meeting friends? I don’t get it. Waiting to have sex is so that we can get to know you better. Yet you don’t want to let us in to your inner circle and you don’t even want to feel what chemistry could be there by kissing so that is actually hindering the “getting to know” process. Sex should be the icing on the cake, not a requirement. And how about this…if we kiss in anticipation of sex, then when we do actually have sex, the anticipation would have made it 100 times better….

  • **inquiring mind**

    @Danni
    Ewwww @ juicy fruit… I’m so stealing that! lol (no really I am)

    @mimi
    Y’all and this Asian flush sh!t are killing me.

    I haven’t even read the whole post (mostly comments), but them subheads are HI-larious… Seriously, no kissing of the lips and consuming alcohol? Just how do you plan on getting that “baked potato”?(Bwahahaha that’s gross, I love it… heavy sour cream, hold the chives- ewww) Anyway, we all know tipsy girls are frisky girls lol

  • Suetiful

    Really Jozen?? This are just ways to make a girl give it up…
    1. if you dont want a girl to meet your friends because they will make fun of you then perhaps you need to check yourself. If you feel its because its too intimate for someone you havnt slept with then thats ok..but your friends ribbing you about it…nnaaahhhh
    and finally :) the kissing????? You seriously wont kiss a girl because she wont put out? This one I really dont get the logic surrounding it….
    I totally love untiligetmarried but this post I do not agree with (except the moving part…that one is called slave labour) :)

  • Dee

    @05girl
    I personally come to this blog cause it humorous, entertaining, and not as stuffy as some of the older blogs. If I wanted to hear my thoughts I would write a blog. Clearly, he’s opening up himself to criticism, praise, and based off of todays comments alot of women I guess that wouldn’t date him. I LOVE a great debate but that would enable facts. What could possibly be said as a fact to counter his claims?

  • cinnamon

    You can’t be serious with the “no kissing” thing LOL! I REFUSE to have sexual relations with a man that won’t kiss me. That clearly shows that you have issues with intimacy, to some degree, in my opinion. When you kiss someone, you immediately know if there is a “spark” or chemistry between the two of you. So you mean to tell me that you want a girl to give up the goodies BEFORE you show her that you’re really into her? I’m sure most of this post was just for “kicks” and while kissing is very intimate, how is it more so than sex?

  • Isitis

    Yea.. I agree on everything but #5… if we never kiss we will never have sex. You will be put into the ‘friend’ pile faster than you can say ‘But…’. I’m only able to acheive the ‘no kissing’ during sex with throwbacks (ex-boyfriends, old booty calls) but any new guy is gonna have to give up the lips. Just my 2 cents.

  • Cocofro212

    This post was entertaining. Im gonna take the positive route on this one, only because I’ve been dating the same guy for a year and a half and honestly, without making these rules verbal, its almost the same way our relationship matured.
    I agree with these 5 rules to an extent. Maybe not until we’re having sex, but at least comfortable with our intimacy level and both understand each others intentions. I wouldnt want any of these things to happen unless it was so.
    My boyfriend’s friends knew who I was, and some even saw pictures of me. But that wasn’t until we felt comfortable where our relationship was going. Nothing like going out with a guy for one week, meet the fellas, next week its over and one of them comes after you since you all weren’t serious (awkward)……
    Handling my stuff? If I don’t know how much you care about me, how much will you care about my items that are fragile?
    I’m not about to have my first experience of swapping spit with you in the backwash of a bottle. Maybe you can take a sip with your own straw, or get your own. My boyfriend and I still get our separate drinks. I let him sip off my straw now lol
    Now with drinking its different because my significant other doesn’t drink or smoke. He knows I drink, and doesn’t mind if I drink around him. I haven’t because it doesn’t feel ladylike to do it alone while he watches. With the ladies or around my family, not a big deal. But on that intimate level, I wanna be on an even playing field.
    I do agree, as ladies we LOVE to kiss. But I also agree with Jozen, its a very intimate act. I don’t kiss everyone. Thats me sharing something meaningful. Its the way I express intimacy for you that I can do publicly without getting a ticket for. It took a good 5 months before I kissed my now boyfriend. Its a level of intimacy in my book that just as I may not wanna give up the cookies I’m not giving out taste samples either. It should be you wanting my special batch, not trying to satisfy a quick sweet tooth.

    PeAce Love Soul

  • Theryl

    Now Jozen I usually agree with you, but I have to say where the hell are the morals and values today that we put something as intimate as sex BEFORE meeting the friends? Lol. I mean really, we might as well all go to hell right now if that’s the case! Your entire list is acceptable and encouraged before any sexual activity. Lol. The problem is we are ass-backwards! We have sex and THEN try to get to know the person. And when we discover how wrong they are for us, we’ve already shares the most intimate part of ourselves and we are stuck trying to get over yet another loser (male or female). So yeah, I can’t rock with you on this list. :)

  • P.A.

    @05girl He’ll read the comments; its a compulsion of writers to know that people are understanding what they write.

    @ Jozen, I feel for you homie…you’ve had a few rough posts lately (in regards to the bash Jozen comments) but there are those readers who get it; we just don’t comment.

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  • Cristina

    First off, I applaud you for being honest. I don’t kiss people for the hell of it but I don’t think I could wait til it’s going down. I would assume something is weird if we’ve been on 3-4 dates and he hasn’t tried to kiss me yet. What would you do if a girl went in for a kiss? Would you turn her down? Even though you wanted to smash? Hmm I don’t know. Personally I think all other four are fine but I’m having a hard time believing number five doesn’t have some wiggle room you’re not sharing with us. Although great kisser does not equal great sex, it’s a good gauge of chemistry I think.

  • MzNYCEsq

    You…have GOT to be kidding me about that last one. You expect sex if a woman kisses you? Good. Luck.

  • http://ampersandrea.com AndreaW

    Completely agree. I think women tend to think that sex is the MOST intimate that you can be. But in my experience – that is NOT the case. Sex is an urge…a need. Is it enjoyable? Of course it is! But at the end of the day, stripped down to the core – its a only a physical act. Emotions last longer than the climax. I wrote a FB note about this called ‘I am more than my vagina’ And its for notion that sex is the most intimate act. This notion of ‘giving myself’ away when I have sex is ridiculous! I am more than an organ. I am human being that has emotions, rationale, goals and dreams – if I choose to share that with you – then THAT is most intimate thing I can share. THAT is what is undeniably ME. A man or woman can have sex with anyone and (give or take a few things) it will most likely physically FEEL the same.

    Meeting the friends is letting this person into your everyday life, as Jozen said. Its the assumption that he’ll be around for a while. Its the knowledge that if things go south – you’ll have to hear ‘What about that Jozen guy?’ Its a commitment, for sure. The moving, in his example – that’s a pretty intimate thing. I’m very protective of who I let into my house or even know where I live.

    The kissing – honestly, if the kissing is that deal – WHY WOULD I want to wait for later?

  • http://www.thechicagosupperclub.com Alana

    Jozen dear, I love ur blog, and I totally understand ur little knicks & knacks,but honey I’ma need you to be more flexible with woman if u ever expect to get married.Ok? trust me..

  • Dee

    WAIT!!! LAdies, if Jozen gets married can you imagine the posts? “Now That I’m Married” today I took the kids to play soccer and the highlight of the evening was getting ice cream. LOL….let’s keep these posts coming.

  • http://www.pinchmycheekie.blogspot.com Cheekie

    Yeah, I’m giving you the 50th o_O for the “no kissing before sexy time” addition… lol

  • http://thehautechocolateblog.blogspot.com Courtney

    I don’t usually comment but no kissing until after sex??? I’m definitely not feeling that. I’m the type that won’t even consider giving up the panties if the kissing is BAD and most women generally enjoy kissing. I just don’t get how you can expect sex without getting at least a kiss first, you have to start somewhere…

  • Tina

    This post was cute and funny, and I can relate. This one guy told me he would NEVER help me move my stuff…but he later broke down and helped. Lol…A guy can have a list of 1,001 things he won’t do, but if he’s really feeling the girl he’ll throw the list out of the window!!!

  • Tina

    @Courtney I totally agree!!!!!

  • Miss. Riss

    For the first time, I have to say I actually disagree with you. I’m seeing someone and we’re not sleeping together. I’ve met his friends, we’ve gone drinking together, we’ve shared drinks and we kiss on the lips.

    I know these are your ideas, but I had to post the exception to the rule.

    I don’t need help moving and usually hire movers for that anyways….lol

  • RJ

    These women are going in on you for #5. That means it struck a nerve…lol! Regardless man, I respect your honesty and I agree with you. I’m tired of all the “make-out” (I hate that word) sessions. But…unfortunately they dictate the pace of these here relations based upon a few things and that is something you have to do now and again.

  • Erleichda

    I love the debate this has started! But personally.. I’m not sure I’d wrestle in the sheets with a boy (yeah, boy – men wouldn’t play this game) who wouldn’t attempt to kiss me… that’s just low down. I’m definitely not hopping in to bed with every guy that comes along, but if you’ve taken me out more than a few times and we seem to really be hitting it off, how do you transition in to the bedroom without a little tongue foreplay? Granted, “the smoothest of the smooth…”

    My only question… since he doesn’t share drinks/straws/saliva with girls who won’t give it up – do you think he has any qualms with letting a platonic friend take a quick sip of his soda?

    The moving ordeal – HILARIOUS! I’m going to have to remember that one ;P

  • ec3384

    LOL! I’m half asian and have the same problem when I drink…turn red as hell and all splotchy. Don’t know if you tried it, but just pop 2 pepcid acs (needs to have famotidine) about 30-60 min before drinking and it helps lessen the redness.

    Also, I just started reading your blog a few days and I love it! Always has me laughing and smiling regardless if I agree with the presepective.

  • AlongCameStacey

    Sensationalism at its best?

    #5 How many times has he written about a girl he kissed while dating? Of course he’s joking! #4 I don’t like sharing drinks, food, etc with anyone so *high five* even after we’re dating I’m gonna need a little time to get used it so bear with me. #3 I think the glow is adorable. Everyone I know that gets it is SO embarrassed by it and whats funny is that their embarrassment makes them even redder. #2 Kudos to you for not being the chump because there are a lot of women that do try to use guys for labor and nothing else. #1 Agreed. I don’t want you to meet my friends or family for that matter until we’re set in stone. I don’t like to seem like I’ve got a revolving door here.

  • Danigurl

    @ Courtney I agree. That’s some bullshit right there. I have to know how you kiss before we do ANYTHING else. What if you are trying suck my face in like a vacuum? Or just poking his tongue around? Or just slobbering my face down kissing my like 13 yr old? Nothing turns me off faster than a man who can’t kiss. That’s a big ass disappoint. My vagina will be like the Gobi. To paraphrase this comedian, I can’t remember his name, “Kissing is like the lobby in a hotel, if it’s not nice then you’re not going to want to see the room.”
    And you’re gonna have to work for this pussy. My love language is Acts of Service so get your money ass up and help me move, mow my yard, put up a door in my mudroom. Something. So my your value because I can find my g-spot on my own. And if you don’t want too…then I’m on to the next one. No worries.

  • http://nifermusings.blogspot.com Jen

    I can totally agree with the alcohol thing, because that’s your personal barrier or whatnot. The rest of them… well, they upset me, for one major reason. What if the girl you are seeing is not having sex for religious or deeper foundational meaning than just “not giving it up to you?” Are you still withholding friends and kissing and a deeper, intimate relationship (minus sex) with a potentially great person???

  • http://www.onlyoneheaven.com heaven

    So you mean to tell me, that you have to have SEX FIRST before you start kissing?? WTH?!??! Isn’t the kissing the build up to having sex??? What exactly do you do for four play? Just pull out the lube and jam it in?? I’m so confused by this… Kissing is intimate yes, but there is something even more intimate about having a man put his parts inside of a woman’s part…. that is a whole other level of intimacy!

    Geeezzzz… u REALLY lost me on this one homey…

    This post rubbed in all kind of bad ways… Let me guess, you have to be cutting something to rub something too huh?… I’m just kidding… everyone has their preferences. I respect yours.

  • Danni

    @**inquiring mind**

    You have my permission to use “juicy fruit” as often as you like…so long as you quote me every single time :) .

    And can I just say ladies, my ladies, MAYBE some of our rules are silly too??? Just maybe? Like making a cat pay for the first few dates before you even consider coming outta pocket? Or making him wait 3 months to sleep with you? All I’m saying is, take a moment to see how foolish men think our “rules” are. And yet they play along (well some of ‘em). So why is it that when a guy presents his rules, regardless of how real or fake they may be, we refuse to compromise? Come on now! Foul on the play!

  • AlongCameStacey

    And my personal no-no? Letting you know where I live. We will be meeting in a neutral place until I’m ready to reveal those digits. No place more intimate than where I rest my head.